Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 21, K 467 "Elvira Madigan" - I: Allegro maestoso

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I found the score for free from Neue Mozart I'm working on learning orchestration, and I figured the best way would be to use Mozart's work to begin with, and then progress through the romantics to the 20th century. This took a long time and is incomplete. There was a snag in the program, and Muse Score shut down after I had completed about 30 more measures. I lost all of them, even though I clicked on "Save" throughout. Is this typical?

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barbarafpage's picture

how long did it take you to enter all of this into musescore?

Bran92405's picture

Well I have a lot of time on my hands. I would say about a week, but it was pretty much all I did for that week.

Mihail's picture


Bran92405's picture

This is the latest update. i guess I'll have to make do with the sound font here. It plays all instruments as if they're playing Fortissimo when they're playing pianissimo. I'm just glad it sounds so good on my own system. It's very helpful when one is trying to learn orchestration, which is my purpose here.

Nicolas's picture

You can hide a stacatto with right click -> set invisible.
If you need to put stacatto (or anything else) on several notes, select them (Ctrl + click, or click on the first, shift click on the last) and double click the stacatto in the palette.

Bran92405's picture

Marc. I've thought of that too. I'm just lazy in going to all the trouble, but I think I will in the future. The separate voice features are really quite helpful, and I'm glad that there's more than two.

Bran92405's picture

Regarding staccato and strings - most composers don't write out staccato, it's implied with strings in particular when they're playing notes that aren't tied - or marcato. I've noticed this as I listen to a lot of classical music and I read a lot of scores. So if one wants to be true to the sound, most notes that are separate from longer strings of tied notes should be staccato. This is not always so, but in general it is.

Now onto yet a further question, is there a quicker way of making a not staccato rather than dragging that little dot to each not one by one?

Bran92405's picture

Thanks nicolas. That's what I already did. It worked. I havent' posted it yet. Also, I found something with the tremolo that seems to work nicely and that is to make some of the notes staccato at random except at the beginning of the tremolo or when it changes notes. This gives it a less electronic sound and more true to a tremolo. I think you can hide the staccato. Is that correct?

Nicolas's picture

Regarding measure 12, you could select it, Press Insert to insert a measure just before. Then copy paste the first sane systems. Recreate the violin measure. Copy paste the dynamics and add the key change for Bassoon. And it's solved !

Marc Sabatella's picture

Great work! Wonderful to see such ambitious projects.

One observation on the trills: I usually do things like this by entering what I want to *display* in voice 1, set velocity to 0 in Note Properties, then enter what I want to *play* in voice 2, set invisible. For dynamics, when MuseScore doesn't play back what you want, you can use velocity in Note Properties there as well. Or add the dynamic markings you wish for playback but mark them invisible (I *think* that would work).

Of course, you can also see if you find can a video of this and then make a VideoScore!

Bran92405's picture

I get the two concerti confused because the two as well as Beethoven's 3rd are my favorites. I want to work on the 20th as well because it has some very interesting string work.

Bran92405's picture

Yes you are correct. It is 21, not 20. I'll have to correct this. Thanks. I worked on it all last night and fixed some of the sound problems, but I don't think I'll post it again until it's completed.

f.nieuwenhuyzen's picture

Title has to be: Piano Concerto No. 21 in C major KV 467 -- I. Allegro

Bran92405's picture

On measure 12 - 1st violin, the measure's tempo attributes are incorrect, and I can't seem to fix them. the piece is in 4/4 time, but this measure only for the 1st and 2nd violins seem to be in 3/4. This happened when I attempted to use the tremolo feature, and for some reason these attributes changed.

I've tried deleting the entire measure and rewriting it, but that didn't work. If anybody has some suggestions, they will be greatly appreciated.

Bran92405's picture

The next time I update this I'll increase the volume on the piano part. Again, it sounds fine on my computer, but on here the piano volume is much too low. I'll experiment and adjust where needed. I think the posting of the score here is for the interest of getting Muse Score to do what you want it to, and the sound is important.

Bran92405's picture

Also, since Muse Score doesn't seem to recognize crescendos and decrescendos, I used dynamic markings instead. It's still imperfect, but I'm working on that. It sound a lot better on my computer.

Bran92405's picture

I had to tweak the score a bit to get the full sense of the work here. For example, in the piano parts I wrote out the trills and grace notes so the program would play them.

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Uploaded Jun 7, 2011
Pages 115
Duration 8:43
Measures 292
Key signature natural
Parts 12
Part names
  • Flute
  • Oboe
  • Bassoon
  • French Horn
  • Clarinet
  • Timpani
  • Acoustic Grand Piano
  • String Ensemble 1 (5)
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