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Let's Talk About Skanks

So, soon I put out a first draft of a notation guide to start to walk through the MDL notation standard.

While some of what is presented in the MDL notation guide will be familiar if you have used VDL or other notation inspired by it. Some will be a bit different.

In creating the MDL standard, we looked at the VDL standard created by Jim Casella, Murray Gussek, and Hugh Smith... and actually had long conversations with the VDL creators to understand why they did some things in the way they did. One of the key influencing factors was the limitations of Sibelius at the time VDL was created.

Since the number of noteheads and articulations in Sibelius then were limited, they were forced to make some choices that were less than ideal.

With MDL and MuseScore 2.3, we did not have such limitations and were free to create. As a result, some of the types of notation you were used to using, that were awkwardly formed from limitations of Sibelius, have been replaced in MDL.

A few examples...

Crossovers on tenors. Some use a plus above the stem, which is actually commonly used for dampening, closing, or muffling.

Others use ( ) around a note, which is commonly used for ghost notes, particularly on drumset.

It is also common to see crossovers notated with a hollow diamond notehead, which completely breaks the format for note duration.

If you look in the MDL Workspace (make sure MDL is selected in bottom left) and open the MDL articulations palette you will see that there are actually 2 designations for crossovers - LOR (Left Over Right) and ROL (Right Over Left). This makes notation even more explicit or descriptive than any other option out there.

In case you are wondering, if there is an accented crossover, the crossover goes above the accent.

Back to skanks.  I've seen that some notate these with an elongated V, which is actually a symbol for an up bow marking for instruments like violins, cellos, etc.

When we look at the actual technique of a skank, it is a hit with a quick hand mute followed immediately after. A + symbol would not be entirely accurate, as it would imply that the note would be muted upon attack, not after.

So, what is a skank? It is a quickly shortened rim shot.

In thinking about this, we have suggested (and the logic in MDL 1.1 supports) the notation of a skank as creating a rim shot on the 4th drum and then applying a staccatissimo articulation. This emulates both physical action involved in playing and also the modification of the rim shot.

As we more forward in releasing the full notation, very interested to get your thoughts, ideas, feedback. We truly want to make this in the international standard. 

Unison collision problem insidious -- please read and fix!

I hate to start a new thread for something that was mentioned a couple of days ago ( ), but there has been no response from the staff, and this problem is insidious, that is if you are using the latest MuseScore, you will prepare a score that sounds fine, and post it, and it will fail.  Short notes clip long notes as they did before 2.2, and there is now no way to see if your score will suffer before you post it (if you are using the latest MuseScore -- maybe this is a reason why you shouldn't). Here is a score someone posted this morning, where  a long note is silenced by a short note in m. 58. This is a horrible problem.  Please fix or a least acknowledge.

I was charged unknowingly.

I never received an email about being charged $49.00 for a yearly subscription, and was only emailed about my free trial ending. I would like the money to be refunded as it is a lot for me. I emailed paypal@musescore but never recieved an email back. Iv'e read other peoples stories about not getting refunded so I came here to ask for help.

MDL How To Twitch/Webinar

To help people get started with all the very different new features of MDL and to also talk a bit about things like percussion notation, arranging for percussion and pretty much anything else related, I'd like to start to do regular Twitch streams or Webinars that everyone can tune in to and participate.

Which do you think is better - Twitch? Webinar?

I am thinking to maybe do 2-3 days per week. One time that works best for US/Americas and another that is better for Europe/International.

What are best times for US/Americas (using EST)?

What are best times for Europe/International (using GMT)?

MDL Feedback

Hey everyone. I thought I'd drop the first post to get feedback on MDL and see how we can continue to improve.

We are currently working on MDL 1.1, which we hope to release in the next couple of days. 

In this release we are working on some minor fixes in articulations, improving templates and also adjusting the sound of individual instruments (here is an example of sound updates in progress -

I'd love to get your feedback and suggestions on any aspect of MDL you think we can improve.

MDL 1.0 Feedback

Wow. I have to say how impressed I am with MDL 1.0  When Daniel first came online talking about this project, I was skeptical. I didn't think we'd get a viable alternative to VDL for free. Yet, here we are. It's great work and a huge asset to the community.

Keep in mind, I primarily write for battery and all comments come with that lens.

First, it's very speedy to write battery parts. Tuplets get a little squirrely at times, but I'll chalk that up to learning curve on my end. Its fast enough that I find myself unreasonably annoyed with the things that aren't quite as fast.

One thing that slows me significantly is how much overlap I get with accents, articulations, dynamics and pictograms in the defaults.  I spend a lot of time moving things to where they're readable. I don't think I've changed the default settings. For example, pictograms are showing up right in the middle of the staff. Even then, I find myself deciding it's "good enough" and moving on to something else. I don't love how some of my published scores look, but it's just the way it is.

On the 'feature request' side, one thing I miss about Sib is the percussions stickings text and how it aligns to notes without additional futzing by me. With the 'staff text' in MS MDL I press a lot of space bar and caps / lower case make things not quite aligned. 

Second, audio playback is a B+ for the battery - and I'm being hyper critical. The sextuplets in particular are vastly superior to what I was getting in Sib + VDL. The flams sound great too.  However, there are times when playback creates weird phaser / wooshing sounds that just don't happen in real life. 

Finally - and I'll beat this point forever - I'm really missing the ability to dictate stickings - particularly on the snare drum - and have the audio follow. Patterns like shirley murphey's, egg beaters or even just paradiddles just don't sound quite right. They're less important on tenors and even less important on bass, but would still be nice.

All in all, it's amazing. I'm a fan and quickly becoming an evangelist for MDL. The entire team deserves praise.

Request to Join Group Shows no User Name when User is Not Logged In

I am getting repeated Join Requests for my Group that show no User Names. 
I have now tested and proved the cause:  
A person can request to Join groups even when they are not logged in because the Join button at the right of a publicly visible Group remains active and allows the request to be submitted with no warning to the User that the Request cannot be processed. Such Join requests arrive to the Group admin with no user name shown, and thus cannot be Managed or Approved

When a non-logged in User presses the Join button on our Group Page, I get this email: 
" has requested a membership for your group 
Stanford Chorus MuseScore Group
Note that there is only a space where the User Name should appear.

Managing and Accepting this request gives a positive response that "User " " has been added to the Group." 
I have tried this several times, but no new user appears in the pages showing our Group members. 

Can this "black hole" for new users be fixed, so the Join button shows an error to users who press it, that they must Log In first?


Using Musescore and the Songbook App to practice music.

Hi everybody!
I am a very keen user of Musescore and I would like to use it more and more during my instrument practice (cello, in this case).
The Songbook app would be excellent for this purpose but I find the position of the controls and the cycle point positioning very uncomfortable.
In particular, from my point of view, a single-screen layout of most commands would be much more convenient, as well as other ideas that I would have in mind.
I know that Musescore is designed and developed mainly to show sheet music but I think that provide an interface more confortable while you're practicing would make many users happy.
What do you think about?

Anonymity of Downloads

If its not too hard, I think it will be useful to show which Musescore Users downloads scores, kind of like the favorite button. This could be used to track which people have been downloading your scores and it could also help against who-copied-what score, which might be a slight problem in Musescore, especially with more popular scores.

As a side note, I don't know if there should be a disabling download button option because it might be a viable solution to annoying people who re-post other people's works on youtube, Musescore, or other platforms. But then again, if someone wants a physical copy of the sheet music for playing but not copying, it will prevent the user from printing the score which could end in general annoyance.

All in all I think that there should be no more anonymity in downloads but disaling the button is questionable at least.

Any thoughts?