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Here's a place to introduce yourself! just say a few basic things about yourself, your name (or username), how long you've been singing, any instruments you play, and just some facts about yourself!

I'm Phia, I'm been singing for about 11 years, I'm a Mezzo Soprano. I play Piano and a bit of guitar. I love reading, acting, and cake (Cause who doesn't like cake?)....


Hey, folks. Having reached the heady number of 10 members, let's have a contest. Who can post a piece with the best police whistle sound? In case of a tie, the winner will be the one who can have the piece include the most kinds of police sirens and whistle sounds (for instance a bobby's whistle or a traffic cop whistle or one from France) but it must have at least one police whistle sound. Be creative. All right, creative sound effects people, let's see what you got. I almost forgot, you have to also make the soundfont effect (sf2 or sfz) available to the group so they can use it in their own pieces. You can't just make a wav file and post it using youtube. sorry.

Favorite Pokemon?

I've noticed there haven't been many discussions, so to get the chatting going, I making this discussion about favorite Pokemon, so what ever it is, put it out there! It's pretty obvious what mine is but I'll restate it. My favorite is Spoink. I also like, Crustle, Shuckle, and Magikarp (no joke!)

What makes a piece a bagatelle?

Now I know length is part of the answer. Nobody wouldn't consider a 10 minute long rondo to be a bagatelle. Bagatelles tend to be around 3-5 minutes in length. Also, from my experience(though this is biased towards Fur Elise and Bagatelle in C minor(the one at a presto tempo) because those are the 2 bagatelles that I am most familiar with), they seem to follow one of 2 forms most often. Those being:

Rondo form, usually ABACA instead of the more complicated rondos you see at the ends of sonatas such as ABACABA. This is how come, despite the short length, Rondo Alla Turka does not count as a bagatelle, its rondo form is more complicated than a simple ABACA and is much closer to Sonata form in its nature(that and it is the end of a Mozart sonata, just more often played by itself than with the whole sonata)


Ternary form, sometimes itself split into Ternary form subsections, especially in the A section.

An example of a Bagatelle in Rondo form:
The most famous bagatelle in existence

An example of a Bagatelle in Ternary form:

This one has an A section that itself is in ternary form. In that sense, it is closer to a rondo, but I'm still counting it as ternary form because of the Scherzo and Trio structure of the bagatelle as a whole.

Another thing that I notice, at least in minor key bagatelles, is that there will often be 3 sections differing by key and intensity. One of the sections will be intense and in the minor tonic. Another section that is also in the minor tonic will have a more relaxed feel to it. And then there is a section in a contrasting major key, usually either the submediant, relative major, subdominant, or dominant, but sometimes the parallel major is used instead(as in the case of the C minor bagatelle).

But obviously form and length aren't the whole story, otherwise a lot of short, simple rondos would be called bagatelles. And granted there are a lot of bagatelles out there(especially Beethoven bagatelles), but the majority of short rondos aren't bagatelles, just rondos. 

So besides the piece being in either Rondo or Ternary form, being short, having 2 sections in the same key and another section in a contrasting key, and having the 2 sections that share a key differ in intensity, what makes it a bagatelle? Does it have to do with being in triple meter as opposed to 4/4 or 2/4? No, because some bagatelles are in 6/8 and that isn't triple meter(well, I guess it can be either duple or triple depending on context but usually 6/8 is duple meter with a triplet feel, not triple meter with a straight eighths feel).

So, I have found a lot of similarities amongst bagatelles in their form, key, and length, time signature types differ, but I don't seem to have found what makes a piece a bagatelle. So what is it that makes a piece a bagatelle?

Rubato in separate voices

I'm writing a piano concerto, and I would like for the arpeggio in the right hand to be independent rhythmically to the eighth notes in the left hand. Currently, the arpeggio is written as a 9-tuplet with fermatas over each note. The result is a swung bass which really does not fit the style of the piece.


As a matter of notation, I made the arpeggio note heads small to indicate a lack of rhythm, but the note heads in the left hand standard to indicate that they are to be played at tempo. Is there any way currently, or could there possibly be any way in the future, that this effect could be achieved in playback? The fermata trick is already a huge step forward from when one would have to change the tempo for each note; I think there could even be a better way to implement rubato. 

I've been copyright striked

I received an email sent at 8:15am about one of my scores "When You Wish Upon A Star" being taken down for copyright infringement.

To be specific, it is my arrangement of the song for piano from the Disney movie Pinocchio. The licensing under this score is "Attribution" due to the fact that it's my arrangement of the song and I do not want anyone to claim the specific arrangement as their own, not the original song itself. The reason I am bringing up the licensing is because I'm not clear on whether the copyright strike is because of
1) my score is based off a popular song
2) the incorrect licensing
3) or a software glitch (as mentioned by Mike in another discussion post on this forum)
If it's possible, I can always change it to public domain. This is my first time receiving this notice, so I am unaware of what exactly happened. I'm hoping this can be settled and one of the staff members can take away this strike and make my score public again.

Also if anyone can educate me about whether I did the right thing about licensing my score as "Attribution" I'd greatly appreciate it.