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New Admin in town!

The mathematician Daniel Bump, who started this group over seven years ago, has made me an admin of it.  I have been active in this group for over four years now, as a composer, arranger, and, increasingly importantly to me and others, a sharer of my many decades of experience with and knowledge of traditional counterpoint and contrapuntal music, both in tutorials and analyses published here (see “Tutorials” set in my profile) and score comments (often requested, and usually appreciated).

Dan has (understandably) not had time to follow and supervise this group over the last few years.  I hope to monitor and maintain the discussion board, e.g., removing posts that are inappropriate (e.g., “please look at my work”, which can be achieved just by posting the work), spam, and widely-cross-posted work that bears no particular relevance to the group topic, and in so doing maximize the usefulness of the discussion board as  a resource.

I have viewed this group as a place where people can post, as Dan says, works by masters of counterpoint such as Bach and Palestrina (although if the scores have errors and the person posting is not responsive to notice of them….), and your own contrapuntal compositions, as he said, even unfinished works, if you want comments by other musicians.   If your works are mind-bogglingly terrific, they will speak for themselves.  Otherwise, expect reactions by others of both great and little knowledge and experience.  This is not an arena to collect applause, but, hopefully, a place to  share and learn.

Counterpoint is not a “style” or “genre” like Reggae, Celtic Ballads, or Bebop Jazz (but even those have their parameters, means, and corpora), or even “Baroque”, but a discipline about which great books and papers and courses have been  and continue to be written (and I hope to maintain useful bibliographies and linkaries) and in which, although models  and parameters vary over the last 500 years, (at any era) there are very definite “rules” and “right and wrong”, just as with the grammar of a language, the rules of artistic perspective, or classical rhetoric. Any work with more than one voice (and even some in one voice!) exhibits  counterpoint, whether you intended it or not, which can thus be good or bad in reference the stylistic models of any era.  “Hey, I used some counterpoint!” (as in several early Beatles songs) is not so interesting.

Fugue is an extraordinarily complicated business, with a vast literature, and an exercise traditionally undertaken only by those who have achieved significant skill in counterpoint.  I will not say more about it right now.

There are (and hopefully will be) a number of regulars here with enough knowledge of, and skill in, this area to teach a course, including some who actually do (although employed teachers, performers, and scholars rarely have the time for this).  We are a resource for those who wish to learn and have their efforts analyzed and commented on.   For those not eager for honest commentary, just write, “No comments, please!” on your scores.   This is not a venue for unconditional, assured applause (either for compositions, presentations of scores of repertoire, or arrangements) or emotional support. This is a score-posting group, not a social media chat room.   Posts to the discussion board, including questions, should be considered by you with the question, “Will this be useful to others wishing to know more about counterpoint?”  Inappropriate posts will be removed.

I hope that this group and forum will continue to be, and more and more become, a showcase of quality contrapuntal compositions by masters old and new, and resources and texts old and new, as well as a place where those eager to learn more about counterpoint will feel both welcome and able to do so.

Bernard Greenberg (@BSG) 10 May 2019

Scores crash page within 10 seconds but only on mobile, works fine on desktop. Similar scores work perfectly.

https://musescore.com/thateuphoniumguy/sagat_theme_pep_band
https://musescore.com/thateuphoniumguy/dee_jay_theme_pep_band

These are the most recent of a series of pep band music, the 8th and 9th respectively. Every single one has worked until these two, which reload the page automatically within 10 seconds. It tries to load it again before giving up. The playback works correctly until the page reloads. This only happens on mobile, but on my desktop there are no problems. Is there any reason why this may be happening? There’s nothing setting these apart from the other arrangements and I’ve tried polishing up the files and reuploading. Any help would be appreciated.

MuseScore 2.1
Apple OS 12.1.4 (on multiple devices, untested on android)
El Capitan for my desktop

When creating a YouTube Video from score, extra text is added to the end of the description

When creating a YouTube Video from score, the text: " [Piano Tutorial + Sheet music]" is added to the end of the description forcing an extra editing step to remove the superfluous text.

Of more concern is that the text is also embedded in the Video main title and cannot be edited

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2i3fevJlJg

You Tube, Chrome, and MuseScore

In response to a bug report of mine yesterday about what seems to have been a temporary problem, DanielR (his name doesn't at-sign complete) informed me that Chrome and/or YouTube (both Google products) have implemented a policy change that refuses to embed YouTube videos, which is the present MuseScore technology for coupling score playbacks to sounds produced by other means (e.g., advanced DAW's, Virtual Pipe Organs).  If that's, as Cronkite used to say "the way it is" forever, this is a massive setback.  Not so much for contributors to this site like myself, but for visitors directed to it who will have no idea what's going on when a carefully-produced score refuses to play. I have verified that a YT score which works in FF just hangs in Chrome.

If the report is accurate
, two courses of action present themselves. First, the site page scripting should detect this, and not offer the player bar, but instead, substitute a box saying "You-Tube backed score cannot be played on Google Chrome. Please use a different browser."

Secondly, the policy of prohibiting the MP3 upload connection of arbitrary, non-MS-produced sound to score playback needs reassessment in light of this development.  "Scores with good sound can't be played on Chrome" is a horrific state of affairs.  Is that true for Google Android as well?

This seems to be Google saying "You can't use YT content this way, at least as long as we have anything to say about it", and i wonder when the other shoe will drop and you won't be able to embed YT content at all, in any browser. If the report is accurate, YouTube is no longer a viable solution to pairing MuseScore with more capable performance engines.

Two Instrument Suggestions

Apologies in advance if this is in the wrong group, but:
I have two instruments I would like to be added to a future version of MuseScore, if possible.
1. A mizmar/zurna--An (if Google is to be believed) Egyptian instrument that seems to be used in a fair bit of music that goes for "exotic" flair
2. Solo vocalists (as the MuseScore instruments all seem to imitate a choir)

Thank you.

Competition No.4 - DUET FOR CONTRABASSOON AND PICCOLO!

I'm excited to finally announce our fourth competition!
This time, compose a duet for contrabassoon and piccolo. (I got the idea from a music lecture I watched, and thought it would make for a fun competition theme.)
- All of the notes must be within the respective instruments range
- The total length can be anywhere between 1 and 5 minutes long
- Comment a link to your submission below
- Each user may only submit one entry
- Voting will begin on June 1st, 2019

Have fun! :)

Edit volta

I need to have volta set at repeat 4 times. I have the last bar set at play 5 times, the piece plays 5 times, but I can't see how to set the volta to 4 x. I have selected the volta, set comma separated 1,2,3,4 in Inspectot/volta, but how do I make it show on the score please? 

Users should not be able to put song titles in descriptions/add a report button on viewable scores.

The amount of times I have seen the "Crab Rave" score is not even a funny at this point. Just because you put song titles in your description doesn't mean that I want to see your score. And the only reason people do that is to only get views. And I feel there should be a limited amount of characters you could put in your descriptions. Also I feel as though Musescore should implement the feature of a report button. It could do some things like report something like putting song titles in descriptions, and after that I will not be able to view for a certain amount of time.

New Piano Roll Feature on the musescore.com

Today marks the release of MuseScore Piano Roll. Piano Roll is a popular and convenient method to display piano notation in a way that not only simplifies learning a new piece for novice musicians who lack a teacher, it also beautifully visualizes each score.


(Video captured from https://musescore.com/classicman/scores/33715 )

Give it a try by simply clicking on the Piano Roll icon now available on all solo piano scores. Be sure to tell us what you think in Improving MuseScore.com!



All of these improvements are designed to not only make MuseScore.com the most valuable resource online for sharing and discovering great musical works but for learning them as well.

We hope you’ll be as excited about this new feature as we were to create it for you, and as always we look forward to your feedback.

This is just the first of an exciting series of updates and releases for MuseScore PianoRoll; we're already hard at work on improving the experience!