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Advice on arranging an orchestral score for piano duet?

   
So, I am starting again with my arrangement of The Nutcracker Suite. I  was debating whether or not to do the whole ballet but I decided on the Suite because it is shorter and more widely known than the entire ballet it is based off of. 
Some movements such as the March fit almost perfectly into a piano duet not just musically but visually as well. On the other hand, there  is the Overture that starts the entire suite at an approximate tempo of  114 BPM and is very complex, with multiple ideas happening at the same  time. I couldn't possibly fit all the notes of the overture in a piano  duet. That would require at least a quartet of pianists to acheive.

I myself haven't looked at the piano duet versions on IMSLP because that might tempt me to just copy the existing piano duets note for note when I know that not every transcription for the same instruments has  the same notes. Yes, they will all have the same basic thematic ideas,  but the note for note detail might differ considerably between 2 transcriptions.

I have seen that myself with transcriptions of symphonies, especially if I compare the Liszt transcription of a Beethoven symphony with another transcription of the same symphony.

I have mainly been looking at the orchestral score and thinking:

Okay, which instruments go on which staves? Do I need a treble clef and a bass clef on both grand staves or can I have one of them just be the treble clef and the other be just the bass clef? Will clef changes be required?
Wait, what clarinet is Tchaikovsky using for this movement? Did I  just transcribe a bunch of wrong notes because I went into my default Bb  transposition when really, I was supposed to do an A transposition or  an Eb transposition? Okay, what note is that again? Reading alto clef  and tenor clef is so hard when the only way you have learned them is  relative to treble clef and bass clef.
 


As you can see, there is a lot of thinking involved in transcribing for piano duet and that is just a minority of all the thinking that is  going on that I showed in the post. I have gotten advice to go from the orchestral score to an abstract score to avoid the distractions of the  different instrument staves and then to my piano duet transcription.  But, I don't really have software that can do an abstract score. And I  have no idea how else I would do an abstract score. 

Here is the orchestral score I've been looking at:

http://ks4.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/8/83/IMSLP263374-PMLP03607-The_Nutcracker_Suite.pdf

So besides going first with the abstract score or looking at the existing piano duet transcriptions, how else can I more easily transcribe a complex movement such as the Overture for a piano duet?

Challenge for a piece?

Let's try a challenge for composers: make a piano piece only for one hand (you can pick either one but you have to keep using it for the rest of the piece). The hard part about this challenge is that it should sound like it is for two hands (it helps if you listen to your piece while closing your eyes). You can notate it for two staves or one; it doesn't matter as long as it's not impossible to play and it sounds as though two hands are playing the piece.

This isn't really a competition as much as it is giving new ideas/a challenge. If you do try to do it, then post the link to your work in this discussion. Have fun! :)

Here's mine: https://musescore.com/skylighter/winter-leaves

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Welcome to Randomly Screwing Around!

Aight, so it looks like admins can pin discussions now, so yayayayay :D
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What do you know about your oldest family member ever?

Mine was my Grand-Grandma who got 101yrs old...
That means she experienced the whole 20th century + the millennial year in 2000

So to say:
born in 1900, she lived when Claude Debussy died,
Gustav Mahler's last Symphony was composed,
Arnold Schönberg discovered his 12-Tone technique,
The first world war broke out,
Hitler and Stalin came to power,
The second world war broke out,
she survived,
the "Trümmerfrauen" repaired Germany after II. WW (She was one too, I think),
Olivier Messiaen discovered the "modes of limited transposition" and created new ideas in Rhythm,
Pierre Boulez wrote his first works,
Stockhausen became the 20th century "bogeyman of modern music"
Penderecki composed "Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima"
21st century came...
She died in 2001

- The End -

A popular-harmony "Brain-Teaser" from a century-old folio ...

Now and again there appear "clunks" in printed scores that resist all attempts at 'simple' editorial emendation (which most often involves misplaced accidentals or single-note copying errors, undetected during original publication). Have a quick look (and listen) to the 'Intro' of this interesting example of Rag-ancestry, faithfully transcribed by our friend OEnanthic:  https://musescore.com/c9h18o2/scores/5458070 - "Jack in the Box" by Thomas S Allen. 

Does your eye (or ear) suspect that there might be something a bit 'off' in Measure 2? If you agree, then in which 'hand' [RH - Melody; or LH - Harmony] do you think the "problem" lies ;-) ... and how could you 'test' (if not actually 'prove') this ? Is there an 'easy' fix ? Have the Composer and original Editor (perhaps) already argued over this point, leaving us with an awkward compromise ... ?

All comments and conjectures gratefully received, as I genuinely can't decide this one! Thanks for your interest - and a beer for the most 'musical' solution :-) - Best, John N.

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Please comment!!!!! And share your random thoughts!!!
This has absolutely nothing to do with music or musescore. It's just for fun

What if we were only placed in this world today and all our memories are fake and pre-programmed into our minds by some alien that's currently watching us?

Everything that occurs was always certain. Like if you flipped a coin it was already certain it was gonna be heads/tails and you just didn't know which one. Everything that's gonna happen will happen. But what if someone time travels back in time? It's certain that that will happen, but then everything that was once "certain" has been changed. So is everything "certain" or not??????????

Or maybe we live in a parallel universe. But that doesn't make as much sense.

Time flow is probably just really fast stop motion. Like we can reverse the flow of time, can't we????

How can people not have synesthesia??????? Like I look at a string of numbers and all the colours are there that I can't unsee. This is just a random thought since I've never not had synesthesia, so I've never looked at a string of numbers in black and white and not had any colour associations

Would you rather be blind or deaf?

Would you rather be too hot or too cold?

Would you rather know when you'll die or how you'll die?

Personally, I think I'm smarter than average. But stupid people tend to think that they're geniuses, and smart people tend to underestimate their intelligence. So then I must be a bit dim-witted to think so highly of myself. But wait...