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CCC#1 - "The Watzmann" - Update (1 week extension)

So a couple of people have asked for an extension for the first competition, and as we've only had a few of entries, I've decided to give you 1 week to complete your compositions. The one's we've had so far have been excellent, so keep 'em coming!

You now have until Saturday 25th May to complete your compositions. This is an extra 6 days, so be grateful. ;D

I will announce the winners on either Saturday on Sunday, depending on how long it takes me to mark them all. Well done to everyone who's entered so far!

CCC#1 - "The Watzmann" and Admin/Judge

The wait is over! The first competition is here!

That didn't take long! Thank you to everyone who has joined the group in the last 24 hours or so. :D

So, I have a couple of things to talk about, the first is announcing the competition, the second is regarding Admins and Judges etc, so I want to quickly apologise for the lengthy post.

But let's start with the fun bit!

CCC#1 - "The Watzmann" by Caspar David Friedrich.

"The Watzmann" is a painting by artist Caspar David Friedrich, made in the mid 1820s. It is a fantastic landscape painting, and although I know nothing about art, I absolutely love this painting.

This challenge was inspired by a composition task I was given at school, where we had to write a piece of music inspired by a painting. I chose a different painting by Caspar David Friedrich, which inspired me to look up some more of his art to use for this competition.

So, the challenge is fairly simple: Write a piece of music inspired by this painting, "The Watzmann". I look forward to seeing what you can come up with.

A few quick rules/details:
1) You may use any ensemble of instruments.
2) The piece must be between 1.30 and 5 minutes long.
3)  The piece must be original, not an arrangement.

You will be given a mark out of 10 for your piece, along with some feedback. You have until Sunday 19th May which gives you one month to complete the piece. I will announce the winners as soon as possible after that.

Admin / Judge

So, basically, if anyone would like to be an admin and judge in the competition, please message me. Your job will be to help me mark the scores, and make sure the group runs smoothly. Obviously, you won't be able to participate in any competitions which you help judge, so sorry about that. If no-one wants to, I can do it myself, but it would make things a lot easier for me, so message if you're willing to help. Thanks!


There. I apologise again for the long post. I'd never get away with this on RSA. :/
Thanks again to everyone who helped boost this group to 30 members yesterday. :D
I look forward to seeing all of your entries to the competition. Obviously you don't have to, but if you are entering, it would be helpful if you could just let me know in the comments. Have fun!

- Joe

Should I end the canon in the same key I started it in?

So, I am doing another canon and I took your suggestion of having just 1 measure between the voices. Now in the case of this canon, the term voice isn't literal here. I am writing this for a harpsichord with just 2 melodic lines. I was thinking of perhaps adding a bass line(Cello perhaps) for a richer sound but maybe after I finish the melodic part of the canon because this one is modulating. So far I have had this in terms of modulations:

C major(starting key) -> E minor via direct modulation(like literally the E minor seems to come out of nowhere. But because of the relation to C major, it isn't as abrupt as say going to Bb would be) -> A minor

Now I have had to make 1 little tweak to my initial melodic idea because I used the Check Harmony Rules Plugin and I had 2 parallel 5ths. But just a single tweak got rid of both parallels. This did make me go from stepwise motion at that point to a leap but the leap was small, only a third.

This canon is at the third. So where C is in the initial voice, there is E in the following voice, etc. And the fact that it is at the third is why it is modulating. But I was wondering, because this canon is going to continue to modulate, do I have to end it in C major(which might mean extending the canon past 50 bars so that it doesn't feel abrupt) or can I end it in a key other than the starting key as long as I have a cadence at the end of it?

I mean I would think that I would have to get back to C major which could mean extending the canon further but at the same time, Lord only knows how long it will sound as though it is in C major before it modulates again. And I know ending on a cadence is crucial so that is why I am wondering if ending in a key other than the starting key is okay as long as I have a cadence in that ending key.

Imagine if you could save lyrics with midi export as 2 options: "KAR file (MIDI File with lyrics)" and "KAR file with chords"

This is a request that goes back to at least 2015 and I have formally requested this feature again (see ) - to create KAR files, and kar files with chords. This would allow us to use a real Karaoke Player, such as the free van Basco player ( ) app for practice, performance, learning, teaching, etc. It's high time for this feature after 10 years.

Do you realize the numbers of  school teachers, and church choir leaders would would find this useful for teaching, conducting parishioners, choruses etc.? And why not lyrics from several voices simultaneously? Why, people might even have FUN with these files (heaven forbid)!!

Do you realize how useful these files could be with karaoke software?! I am a programmer and I see the arguments as "beside-the-point" and not at all insurmountable.  In fact, there may be no reason why more than one part's lyrics couldn't be saved and scrolled in a karaoke app in parallel.

Read my request where I address the programmer's objections. With all the lyric-typing I do I am disappointed/insulted that I can't export the lyrics with the midi. I have searched high and low and the closest software I can find to a solution is Serenade ( ) which is far from as perfect for this as MS would be. Please help promote the idea at (see ) !!

The little jewels within Mozart's music treasure chest

Many pieces from Mozart are amongst the most beautiful things that can be eared, for these who are receptive to at least.
But there are also pieces from him which won't procure that undescriptible feeling ( mix of ecstasy/peace and achievement. Plus the need of earing more of it ;) ) 

I am not particularly fond of the second movement of Symphony nb.25 for example. It's fine, but in my opinion it lacks something, or I don't get that thing, for any reason. 
I just feel this Andante won't really start and tell the story, or if it does, it seems it couls have been much more than that.
But, and this is the subject of this topic, there is this small passage within, which is beyond everything else in those 70 bars.
I mean, that's precisely the moment I am waiting for when listening to this movement.  I wished so hard Mozart would have  develop further this absurdely simple but at the same time heavenly beautiful theme!
Here it is:

Would be fun to point out further "magic" passages in other Mozart's compositions. There are so many!
The problem is cutting them to put  here in the topic ( needs some audio editing or score writing,  this last one being an excellent exercise )

Review of a little ticklish song afeter reading about harmony

I've been studing (by myself) harmony and composition by Arnold Schoenberg and revised an old song I made:
Any mistakes?
How can I make it more pleasing to hear?
Any better books on composition?
Waht do you think of the litte song? (the intent is to imitate the act of tickling, there is even a feather kkkk)