Collaborative Symphony (Arrangers can be used as well as composers)

Jun 18, 2018

I would like to see who would be willing to work on this. It will have these four movements:
I  Adagietto -Allegro con fuoco: parts to reserve { introduction (claimed) ( Adagietto, D Æolean or Phrygian), A theme (done) (Allegro con Fuoco, D Æolean) , B theme (Choose tempo, A Ionian, Mixolydian, Dorian, or Æolean) , Development (Choose tempo and mode)(claimed), coda (D Ionian, Bundled with transitions), transitions}
II Lento e Cantabile {A theme (claimed)(Lento, E Ionian or Mixolydian), B theme (claimed) (Not faster than Andante or slower than Largo, More must be related to E Ionian or Mixolydian (whichever one the A theme is in) ) variation on B theme (Between Larghissimo and Moderato), coda (E Lydian), transitions}
III Scherzo: Vivace Trio: Andante {Scherzo theme (done) (C Ionian) , trio theme ( D Ionian) , outro (D or E Locrian) }
IV Finale Allegro con Brio {A theme (D Æolean, Allegro con Brio), Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3 (claimed), Coda (D Ionian) }
Please request one of the sections in brackets.  Soon I will get the score set up so people can work on it. By the way, the person doing the introduction needs to wait until the A and B themes are done before fully creating the introduction.

If you are unfamiliar with large orchestras, you can compose for some instruments and let an arranger make the other parts.
 While editing, everyone must use this soundfount: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W5zOqNXQuZpLrv0Eck1QRdHVJpmKHgeC/view?usp=drivesdk (uncompressed)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QCbWV_yu46FWkGuorKRIRy2zmyqO_ziY  (7zip)
One you have claimed a portion to work on, you need to request access to the file by clicking on the triple dots, then sharing, then more options. In the message space give a link to your Musescore profile and state which portion you have claimed. Then while you wait for your request to be accepted, prepare. After your request is accepted, reply to your comment and state that you are now working it. Download the file and do your work. When you are done, note so in the comments and upload the file to Google Drive. If you do not rename it, the new file will automatically replace the old one. Use system text to indicate where your work starts and stops. You will also need to add your name to the composer list and the copyright statement in score properties.

I also need someone with a pro account to to upload the finished work to his/her profile and share it with this group and many others.
If someone wants to make a piano reduction for the symphony that would be great too.

Here is the link to the score: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10uQkfqQOfGY4yv9f63rVZbDMRwaMxl0c?usp=sharing

If you don't know very much about modes, watch these videos:



A few additional things:
1. Tempo markings must be 100% Italian; no numbers.
2. Unmetered tremolo must be marked with Wienesaki for violins and trill sign for all unmelodic percussion. (Use trill line for multimeasure rolls.)
3. Please mark if monophony or homophony is with purpose, otherwise someone might add countermelodies.
4. I will try to check this discussion 2-3 times a day to answer questions.
5. Use the master comment plugin to use comments: https://musescore.org/en/project/add-comments-score
6. Use pictograms to tell the percussionists which instruments to use.
7. Déjà vu from within the symphony is welcome. i.e. stealing a tidbit of the B theme from the first movement to incorporate into a countermelody for the trio would make it feel more connected. Don't overdo the copying, but do please provide little bits of déjà vu.


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Sure count me in! I am an arranger and Composer, and have a lot of knowledge in music theory! I am glad to help out! Keep me up to date with your process.
It is time for you to compose. @John Galik is waiting on you.
So this is the explanation behind the symphony. It is a symphony in D minor. Traditionally the first movement of a symphony is in four parts. The first part is the exposition. In the exposition there are 2 themes, one in the tonic key, the other in the dominant key. As you should guess from the tempo Allegro con Fuoco, the first theme should be fiery. The second theme is a relief from the first theme. The introduction to the exposition should contain small fragments of the two themes. The next part is the development. The two themes are developed and variations are made. They can even fragmented and even be used as countermelodies for each other. It should lead into the third part which is the recapitulation. In the recapitulation, both themes are stated in the tonic key. After that there is the coda, a bit of fanfare and some chords. The second movement will have a beautiful A theme in E Ionian or mixolydian. It will be followed by a melancholy B theme. Variations will be made on the B theme until climax is reached, the climax dying down into restatement of the A theme. The will be followed by an ethereal coda in E lydian. A traditional Scherzo goes in this order: Scherzo, trio, trio, Scherzo. The Scherzo is the fast part, and the trio the not so fast part. And yes, the trio really is a trio. I would also like a solemn ending in either E or D Locrian. The final movement will start with a powerful D minor theme, and after that themes from all over the symphony will be developed. The piece will end in a D Major coda, which will contain the A theme of the first movement changed into D ionian. And of course, end in a full orchestral D Major chord.
The piece will be between 40 and 60 minutes in length.
I have found out about something called Rondo traditionally used for the finally of symphonies. I would like to use it, making the fourth movement now have these parts: theme, episode 1, episode 2, episode 3, coda. Each episode will end with the original theme, not necessarily in its original form. The theme is still Allegro con Fuoco, D Æolean.
I want the II Lento e Cantabile: {A Theme}
You can make in E Mixolydian or Ionian. It should be relieving the audience from the first movement. You can make a small introduction if you want.
Btw what’s the instrumentation?
I believe I will have first movement ready today. It will show the instrumentation. Because I believe it will be ready today I'd rather not type it up. But just so you know, it has quadruple winds. If that helps you gauge the size.
@Quaver Crafter
Are you uploading the score to MuseScore?
 
No. It's more convenient to use Google Drive. With Google Drive they can just upload the score after working on it. (With permission of course) I've finished setting up the first movement.
How will I be able to see it? Will you share it with all of us?
Anyone can download it but only approved people can upload an edited version.
Does anyone have any ideas about how to spread the word? I've tried creating group discussions, a musescore.org forum post, and even commenting on my favorite scores and I don't seem to have attracted too many people.
It says the file type is unsupported
It is. Download and open with Musescore 2.
While editing, everyone must use this soundfount: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W5zOqNXQuZpLrv0Eck1QRdHVJpmKHgeC/view?usp=drivesdk

The finished work can be performed with whatever music software you want but if you are actually working on it you most use the soundfont from the link above.
If you do have, for example, a better clarinet soundfont, you could give me a download link and I could replace the existing clarinet sound in the soundfont.
Does the B theme for lento e cantabile have to be original or can it be a traditional religious theme that would happen to work very well for this? sorry for asking so many questions (hehe)
I don't think a hymn would work. If @Forever_Violins is willing to do the B theme, a traditionally religious theme could possibly work for the A theme.
If it would be easier I can just do the a theme of the scherzo
How long should the scherzo theme be? Just a theme, or am I writing the entire scherzo-part of the movement? Thanks
I think I'll try the "Development" part of the Introduction.  Just be warned: I am not a music theory guru yet!  So, there may be a slight delay because this will be the first time I work under these sort of requirements.  I'll do my best!
The development is where the two themes are "developed". (obviously) This means alter the two themes and change the orchestration. Towards the end of it there should be a climax. The aftermath of the climax should merge into the "recapitulation", where the two themes are restated.  Did you read this: https://musescore.com/groups/young-orchestrators/discuss/5019647#comment-4889812 ?
Watch this for an explanation of modes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HJ5mBb9Pgo&t=374s
Hey, this sounds pretty cool! Unfortunately, I have other things to be working on, but I would be willing to orchestrate a section if someone just has a piano part completed. =) 
There might possibly be people who want help with orchestration. I will notify if so.
@Quaver Crafter 

Sounds cool! On second thought, will the piece be posted in chronological order, so I could (hypothetically of course) see past orchestrations and try to match them?
 
My intent is for the piece to be worked on in a somewhat chronological order, so I guess you could.
may I join. I love composing
Sure; you seem to already be working on a symphony yourself. Because of this, I will assume you are already familiar with the form. Which part would you like to work on?
This sounds really cool, but I'm not too great at orchestration. I could create a piano version with melody/countermelody/harmonies and some stuff, if someone would be willing to orchestrate it?? Or I could give orchestration a shot, but I don't know how good it'll turn out. :/
I would love to be a part of this project. I tried to read the comments but I got a little overwhelmed. If we could post a comment recapping what has been discussed so far as who is doing what so I have an idea of what part I am able to do and also what the style or idea of this is. It sounds like an amazing project. The quadruple wind orchestra is a little threatening to me so if one movement is more restricted I would feel a bit more comfortable.

So to recap my own message:
1: What is left that I can do?
  a: Perhaps a smaller orchestra section.
2: What style are we composing in?
3: Is there an emotion or idea connected to each movement and something to bridge it together?

:)
1. Anything except development of I, A theme of II, and Scherzo theme
a: Take a look at this: https://musopen.org/music/6322-the-planets-op-32/ Notice that in quieter movements, not all the others is used at one time. If you were to do part of the Lento movement or the trio, you could easily get away with not using all the instruments. Another quadruple wind score to look at: https://musopen.org/music/1893-ein-heldenleben-op40/
2. I would like to say the style is that if the time in the late 1800s.
3. I is the powerful beginning, II is a mostly calm relief, III is a Scherzo, IV is the powerful conclusion. For more explaination see this: https://musescore.com/groups/young-orchestrators/discuss/5019647#comment-4889812
Thanks for responding so quick. I would love to work on movement two as I don't feel comfortable with quick music in such a large setting. I also already have a cadence idea in E major so I think the B theme would work very well for me. The style will be similar to Tchaik? I also see you follow regular format for the symphony, common theory. I was more asking if their is something the symphony alludes to something or a meaning behind it like an allegory. Will the entire symphony use the same instrumentation you set out for Mvt. 1 or is that the maximum and whenever we wish to use one of those instruments you are saying it is there as an option?
The symphony will follow the instrumention listed in the front page. As you can see, there is potential for quite a lot of switching. This allows slightly different setups as needed. For example, 2 C trumpets and 2 B\> trumpets in the first movement, 2 A cornets and 2 F trumpets in the second movement, 4 cornets in the third movement, and trumpets 2 C and 2 B\> in the final movement. Similar things will happen with the other winds. Yes, the style will be similar to Tchaikovsky and also Dvořák. I'll mark the B theme as taken as well.
There isn't an intended meaning behind it. Is just gave it a name because it couldn't be given a number.
I need some feedback at this point. I was really eager but then lost inspiration.
I feel like what I wrote resolves way too many times and needs intermittent passages between where it repeats with more complexity. As well a lot of ideas that I have for this seem very pianistic but I don't hear them as pianistic in my head. I hear the orchestra but I am struggling with this. Some feedback would be appreciated. This is it in the current stage. I am happy with everything up until the tempo change then I don't like the section immediately following but enjoy when the "melody part comes in."
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hot93hEDO5zk1P0-AtiSR3BHl0MOpm3o/view?usp=sharing
Sorry but one more question (hehe) - if we aren't writing part of movement 1, do we still use the movement 1 template or start a completely new one for movement 3, let's say?
I will will make a new, slightly different template. Some players will be switching instruments. (e.g. trumpeteers will play cornets)
@Quaver Crafter
 Allright. I assume you'll be posting the link here so we can re-post it with our work done?
@chopindminor
 Yes, I gave you (well the account from the link in your other comment) editing access, so if you upload an edited version it should automatically replace the original. The links are in the top description now, btw.
I'd be happy to do the introduction to the 1st movement. I'll probably want to know what the two themes are though so that it can be coherent. Not completely necessary though - the introduction could be ambient, with content unrelated to the body of the movement. Thoughts?
I will have you write it after the themes are written. It will be better that way, especially if you include fragments or alterred versions of the themes into it.
@chopindminor 
Yes it's good and yes it needs more. When I get to the end, I feel like there should be a variation of some sort, possibly messing up the melody and giving it to the bassoons, with the high woodwinds playing an obbligato. (You could do this, or something else.) After that, the proper theme (starting measure 17) should be restated.  
You seemed inactive so I just did it.
It depends on the section and how much you fancy.

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